ULTIMA8: Game breaking bug confronting Thorwin (ScummVM 2.9.1)

[Krageben]

On Argentrock Isle in U8 Pagan during the Theurgy questline, when you try to confront Torwin on the cliff he is located the wrong place, and when he is supposed to commit suicide as in the original version, it is the Avatar (the player character) who instead runs off the cliff and commits suicide, and you can't do anything to stop him. I've tried to reload several earlier save games to do something different, and to test if the save file was corrupted to no avail. And now I've also tried to start all over on a completely new save, after reinstalling the game and still the bug persists.

[tag2015]

Thanks for the report. Is this questline optional or mandatory to continue the adventure?

[mduggan]

Could you double-check that you attached the right save? I loaded it and although it's roughly in the same area as Torwin it's not that close (it's in the nearby caves), so I'm not sure if it's the one you meant to attach.

[mduggan]

Attached my savegame (005) just before confronting Torwin, and it works fine, though I must admit this is from a playthrough a very long time ago so there may be a new bug that has snuck in since then.

[Krageben]

Replying to tag2015:

Thanks for the report. Is this questline optional or mandatory to continue the adventure?

Thanks for the reply. The questline is mandatory.

[Krageben]

Replying to mduggan:

Could you double-check that you attached the right save? I loaded it and although it's roughly in the same area as Torwin it's not that close (it's in the nearby caves), so I'm not sure if it's the one you meant to attach.

The save was at the end of the quest just before the Torwin quest, if you were interested in seeing it step by step. I have attached another save just before meeting (invisible) Torwin (Ultima8.003).

[Krageben]

Replying to mduggan:

Attached my savegame (005) just before confronting Torwin, and it works fine, though I must admit this is from a playthrough a very long time ago so there may be a new bug that has snuck in since then.

This works for me also, thanks, I can finish the game, then.

Something I noticed when trying your save, is that the conversations also don't lag like in the saves I provided, where they will sometimes lag considerably.

[koden-km]

I've had this bug happen to me also. The only way I was able to get past this quest is with cheat mode enabled and continually quick moving my character back onto the land until the cutscene ended.

[koden-km]

I replayed the Air quests from an old save and got some video recordings.
No audio was recorded due to using macOS screen recorder.

1. ScummVM U8 Torwin bug - invisible

Approach from the town and Torwin is invisible and Avatar runs off the cliff with him.
​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srPFfRWNQwc

2. ScummVM U8 Torwin bug - working fine

Approach from the side and Torwin is visible and Avatar stops at the cliff edge.
Note: Editor items (cheat mode eggs) are set to visible in this recording.
​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kyl3rlTTko

3. ScummVM U8 Torwin bug - mostly fine

Approach from the town but jump into range and Torwin is visible and Avatar stops at the cliff edge (pretty sure, but I think I was trying to move back also). Avatar floats during the conversation though.
​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjOiUMP6Ksg

4. ScummVM U8 Torwin bug - invisible in wrong place

Approach from town and Torwin is invisible and in wrong place, Avatar runs off the cliff with him.
Note: toggleHighlightItems "H" key and editor items (cheat mode eggs) are toggled in this recording.
​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-q-ndqAJ2U

[OMGPizzaGuy]

These videos are fantastic! Thank you so much! Hopefully I'll be able to look into this soon.